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To reaffirm, therefore, and in apologising for "jumping back and forth" from FRSSE to FRS 102 [ the same principles apply to both] FRS 102 clause 3.2 sets out the fundamental As an aside, firstly I note the comment by Ewan in his post at 10.54 today that the "duplication was not material or even fundamental with regard to the overall stock Regards to both of you. Thanks (0) By taxguru 06th Jun 2014 12:43 First of all FRS102 is applicable only for accounting periods ending on or after 01 Jan 2015.

Over to FRS 3 which states that to be fundamental the error must be so significant that it destroys the true and fair view and therefore the validity of the financial statements (para However, if it is impracticable to determine the period-specific effects of an error on comparative information for one or more prior periods presented, the entity must restate the opening balances of Thanks (0) By fawltybasil2575 11th Jun 2014 18:19 Option 2.Ewan's post at 10.54 today advises that the error (previously notified as approx. £25,000) arose from the duplication of an entire section My first post above indicated several points to support Option 2 over Option 3, and I remain firmly of that view [whilst respecting supporters of Option 3].

It also details how changes in accounting policies and prior period adjustments should be accounted for. Do not amend the 2013 accounts, but treat the £25,000 as a prior year adjustment in the 2014 accounts and adjust the comparatives for 2013 (as we use IRIS, this involves With apologies for the length of this post, Option2 remains in my submission the best option ; and I would furthermore advise other members to adopt the "correct if at all Neither apply here, even if we were to consdier FRS 102 which is a bit more liberal in this regard.

Whilst determining what is "fundamental" and/or "material" is at best subjective, I cannot agree that duplicating an entire list of stock items amounts to an error of 'estimation'. What’s changing? May I very respectfully point out that I am "missing" no points at all.   You raised the matter in the context of the "public record" [clearly arising from my expression of concern I am assuming that there was a fundamental error in the count or valuation of stock rather than a change in an estimate, say for obsolete stock.

Basil you are missing the point about replicating someone else's accounts when only one figure needs changing.  If they are your own accounts on your own software you change the figure and press Otherwise a prior year adjustment.   Sadly I work on the basis that these could be reviewed by other practitioners such as insolvency who would question such amendments,  so always put Financial statements of subsequent periods need not repeat these disclosures. Thanks (0) By fawltybasil2575 06th Jun 2014 12:05 As with many aspects of legislation, and indeed life in general, the key lies in the concept of primacy.

Thanks, Rob   Thanks (1) By Sarfraz Fayyaz 09th Mar 2012 11:27 Corporation tax return Do we have to resubmit the corporation tax return for 2010 once error has been corrected? The definition in paragraph 7 of FRS 3 states that these are either: material adjustments applicable to prior periods arising from changes in accounting policies; or from the correction of fundamental But as I have mentioned previously, almost ad nauseam, the over-riding principle to follow is the "true and fair view". Errors discovered after reporting date Accounting Errors discovered after the reporting date but before the authorization of financial statements are adjusting events after the reporting date as per IAS 10 and

At the risk of repeating my earlier post, the "true and fair view" principle over-rides everything ; and thus I would consider it very unlikely that, even in a company with Prior period errors are omissions from, and misstatements in, an entity's financial statements for one or more prior periods arising from a failure to use, or misuse of, reliable information that Is this material? Materiality.

In theory there are no degrees of materiality: something either is material; or it is not. Arguably, and in my submission inarguably, clause 3.2 of FRS 102 requires, to reaffirm, that "Financial Statements shall present fairly the financial position" and, on the basis that compliance with FRS Copyright 2016, All Rights Reserved the easy way to learn accounting online, for free! I entirely agree your conclusion that "£25,000 is material, even fundamental, in this case" [ and accords with my views expressed from the start of this thread].

It's not that difficult really.  When preparing accounts we find errors in the opening balance sheet (hopefully, but not always, prepared by another firm).  What do we do?  We look at the Be aware of the differences between old GAAP and Section 10 so that financial statements are prepared in compliance with FRS 102. Normally, fundamental errors relate to application of a wrong account principle such as an incorrect interpretation of a certain laws or statutes. Prev Next Changes in Accounting Estimates Example of Correction of Prior Period Accounting Errors More in IAS 8 Accounting Policies, Estimates and Errors IAS 8 Example: Prior Period Errors IAS 8:

Current period amounts are unaffected. Then, assess if a prior period adjustment is required and, where required and show these in line with Section 10 requirements. With the greatest possible respect to some of the above contributors, they seem to be making it up as they go along. If for instance it was turning over £3m or £4m, it is highly unlikely that the difference between £33k profit and £8k profit is material and I have to disagree (in

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Section 10 provides more guidance where it is impracticable to apply a change of accounting policy fully retrospectively and states where this is the case the entity should restate the opening In identical vein to my comments re the FRSSE above, FRS 102 sets out, in clauses 3.4 to 3.6, those circumstances where, if strict compliance with individual clauses gives a false Even if, in the entirely different scenario impliedly considered by you, amending the previous year's Accounts created a time factor problem, one would still have to consider very carefully the possible In my submission, therefore, one can only effectively disregard a duplication error if such error is not material/fundamental when measured against [i] the Net Assets/Liabilities and/or [ii] the Net Profit/Loss [in

Thanks (1) picture-197959-1366276288.jpg By johngroganjga 10th Jun 2014 16:24 Basil I would agree with you if this error had been discovered part way through the accounting year immediately after the year Fundamental defined ‘Fundamental’ is defined in paragraph 63 of FRS 3 as an error of such significance as to destroy the truth and fairness and hence validity of a set of Was the stock correctly valued at the time, but get revised in light of a post balance sheet event?  - In which case the existing accounts are probably OK. works better with JavaScript enabled.

Thanks (0) picture-197959-1366276288.jpg By johngroganjga 06th Jun 2014 14:04 No-one is saying that FRS 102 as such applies here.  It's just a convenient and up to date place to look Business Sub-categories Financial reporting Management accounting Finance & strategy Financial reporting 9am Lowdown: PwC calls for trust following EU vote Financial reporting Some questions about auditing today Financial reporting FRS 102: Start up in practice Any insight would be highly appreciated! not writing off a receivable who had been announced as insolvent before the authorization of financial statements Arithmetical Errors Omission of transactions and events from the financial statements Errors must be